Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Abortion Limit Debate

The Conservative MP for Mid-Bedfordshire, Nadine Dorries, has for a while been proposing a reduction in the upper time limit for abortions from 24 to 20 weeks. Since she is an MP for my county, she pops up in the local paper a lot, so I’ve read a fair bit about this. Today I found an article on the BBC website on the subject here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7385099.stm

I went to her blog (http://www.dorries.org.uk/Blog.aspx ) and found that the reason for this article was that today marked the official start of her "20 reasons for 20 weeks" campaign website. An article on this made it to the front page of the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=564225&in_page_id=1770

I’ve been a bit dubious about this campaign from the beginning, not just about the issue itself (which I’m not going to go into detail on right now), but also the way in which the media campaign seems to have been handled by Dorries.

It has been claimed by many, including the respected Ben Goldacre of Bad Science fame, that Dorries has used misleading figures and tactics to promote her cause, even resorting to promoting a well-known urban myth in support of her case: http://www.badscience.net/?p=634

Dorries has also cried foul and complained that figures showing that there has been no improvement in the survival rates of foetuses between 20 and 24 weeks (one of the key drivers behind her motion) cannot be trusted because of pro-abortion bias.

Examples of her taking liberties with the truth can be found here: http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/04/16/you-shall-not-bear-false-witness/
And here: http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/04/28/the-dishonourable-member-for-mid-bedfordshire/

This bothers me. If there is a valid reason for reducing the abortion limit, then Dorries shouldn’t need to resort to this kind of behaviour. Nor is this the first time that Dorries has tried to get the law changed. (It has been suggested that her Christian beliefs are behind her persistence with this, but I’ll have to look into that).

In any event, it was the article in the Daily Mail today that made me decide to blog about this. Included in the article was Dorries’ list of 20 reasons, many of which I think are irrelevant, if not patently absurd. Leaving aside the ones quoting (disputed) figures, here are the ones I mean:

3. High-resolution 3D ultrasound images showing babies 'walking', yawning, stretching and sucking thumbs in the womb

The obvious question here is "So?" The foetuses move in the womb. How is this an argument against the abortion limit? Note also the use of the word "babies", not "foetuses". This happens throughout the article- wonder why.

8. Rising number of abortions being carried out between 20 and 24 weeks

In fact it is only 2% of the total number of abortions. The argument here seems to be that there are more being carried out within this time period, so we must make it illegal to stop them being carried out in this time period. Hardly convincing logic.

9. Leading public figures such as Tory leader David Cameron calling for a cut to at least 20 weeks

So fucking what? The leader of her own party is supporting her. Does his opinion carry more weight because he’s the leader of the Conservatives? Does it have any bearing at all on the medical evidence, which is ultimately the basis on which any decision should be made. Of course not. Argument from authority.

12. A possible link with mental illness for late abortions, say psychiatrists

This is dubious at best.

19. The Commons science and technology committee was heavily influenced by pro-abortion witnesses.

This "reason" really takes the piss. It’s a sure sign of the weakness of your arguments when you have to scream "bias!" By "heavily-influenced" she means "they didn’t agree with me".

Here is a link where you can view a press notice on the report: http://www.badscience.net/?p=560

The committee reviewed the evidence the pro-reduction side presented, and found that it didn’t hold up. Her response is to claim bias, and to call for a change in the law anyway. Shameful. And this is the woman elected to represent the people of Mid-Bedfordshire. Even better, she actually sits on the committee! Could she be any more of a sore loser?

But that’s not the best reason.

20. Picture of a 20-week foetus

Aw, look at that foetus. It looks just like a baby. See, it’s sucking its thumb! Look how cute it is. We’d better change the law.

Is this what passes for reasoned debate? A blatant attempt to play to emotions? Is this really the best argument she has?

Abortion is a serious issue, and should be treated as such. Nadine Dorries’ conduct in this matter, as far as I’m concerned, has been little short of dishonest, and not how an elected official should behave.

I’ll be keeping an eye on this.

EDIT-

She's not going up in my estimation: http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2008/03/26/whats-sauce-for-the-goose/

11 comments:

Billy said...

Yeah, I do wonder how much a part wanting to thrust her religiously shaped morality on us has to do with this.

She has a right to her opinions and try for change where she things it is for the best, but at the end of the day, she is elected to serve her constituents.

Anna Banana said...

Ugh! How annoying. My state is in the process of passing a law that women have to be offered an ultrasound before the abortion so that hopefully they'll see the fetus(American sp.), feel guilty and change their minds.

I love how she's crying bias at the scientific community when it's obvious that it is she who's holding the bias, probably created by her religious beliefs. For some reason I had the immediate image of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter in my mind when I read about this.

Reminds me of that guy who was distorting the survival rates for fetuses at the end of the second trimester.

Lee said...

I have views and opinions on this subject matter (of course?)

However I am living now in a strange country who cannot decide if it is illegal or not.

It seems to me there is a law against it where I live, but I do not know the reasons behind it.

I quote:-
In Victoria, a landmark Supreme Court ruling in 1969 ('the Menhennitt ruling') established that an abortion will be lawful if the accused held an honest belief on reasonable grounds that the abortion was both 'necessary' and 'proportionate.' 'Necessity' in this context means that the abortion was necessary to preserve the pregnant woman from a serious danger to her life or to her physical or mental health, beyond the normal dangers of pregnancy and childbirth, that would result if the pregnancy continued. 'Proportionate' means the abortion was in the circumstances not out of proportion to the danger to be averted. The Menhennitt ruling apparently permits an abortion at any stage of pregnancy. Further, it does not appear to impose a requirement that the abortion be performed by a medical practitioner in order to be lawful.

Although there have been a number of occasions in the last thirty years on which re-examination of the Menhennitt ruling by Victorian courts was likely or possible-the Heath case (1972), the McGoldrick case (1986), the Backwell case (1994) and the Right to Life case (1995)-on none of those occasions has that re-examination occurred. The Menhennitt ruling therefore continues to represent the legal position in Victoria.


http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp01.htm

Lee said...

Lovely country Australia... :)

Lee said...

Tried to find some reasons behind the law, but failed.

Though I found a newspaper story from 2006 that confirmed it is against the law in my state and summarises the law across the country.

Summary from page 4

http://www.theage.com.au/news/
in-depth/our-states-moral-sidestep/
2006/11/10/1162661898634.html?
page=4

The story also talks about state funding of IVF treatment for lesbians (page 1) - I have views on this as well.

No problem with gays, happy for them – gay marriages, no problem. The more the merry.

But I don't see why state money should go to those who could have a baby by natural means. (Does this make me a bad person?)

Maybe this thread has enough cans of worms for one discussion. Forget I said anything.

I’ll get my coat...

Lee

Rian said...

Why not lower the limit to 19 weeks? I'm sure a 19 week fetus is basically as cute and 'baby' like as the 20 week item.
18 weeks, probably much like a 19 week. etc etc.

No, I haven't read the linked material :-)

Anonymous said...

Sigh,

Why do these people never ask why late abortions take place?

One of the reasons is that these are sometimes due to very young girls being in a state of denial about their pregnancy until late on.

If this MP really wanted to reduce late abortions she could spend her time much more productively campaigning for better sex education.

She could also save the NHS a considerable amount of money while she was at it.

Hazel

cerebusboy said...

In fairness, the image of the foetus could serve to indicate that it closer to human-life-deserving-of-protection than clump of sells (thus indicating that the argument against late term abortion isn't comparable to RC "life begins at conception" ban the morning after pill bollocks). Emotive arguments aren't *necessarily* irrational (they can be both). An author I like pointed out that there was probably a lot of writers in german in the thirties who typed "Jews are human beings" and then sat staring at their typewriters wondering what they could possibly add to it.

Those "I had an abortion" t-shirts are flat out creepy too.

cerebusboy said...

sells should be cells, obviously. I totally failed an exam today so am on something of an anti-intellectual roll ;-)!

jimmy said...

Abortion

is a bag of vomit
in rare cases a bad of vomit
is preferable to a bag of human ash.

Jonathan said...

Jimmy-

"Abortion

is a bag of vomit
in rare cases a bad of vomit
is preferable to a bag of human ash".

Very poetic Jimmy, but not really on-topic. Sticking with the subject of the post, do you think the tactics that Dorries is using are acceptable?